P180 Water Cooling - Page 2

glc · 07-05-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rhino56

it is important but its not something that you cant increase if you need to.
if you had a ehiem 1040 pump that is very weak and thats all you could use pressure would be a big concern. but the fact that there are pumps out there that can develop enough pressure to burst a line its not a concern. the main thing is choosing the right pump that will have adequate pressure. let the pump be the last thing you get.

Well currently I've been looking at the Danger Den D5 pump. Would that be powerful enough for three blocks, two rads, and a res?

Senater_Cache · 07-05-2006, 06:59 PM

it would, but I would then shy away from block like mp-05 and STORM. Akthough it will probably stil work well, you may get better performance with a less restrictive block. Runner up = Swiftech Apogee )Note that this is in the case of 2 seperate rads and all the extra barbs and tubing they add)

Mark620 · 07-05-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Senater_Cache

that this is in the case of 2 seperate rads and all the extra barbs and tubing they add)

you havent seen any of my tubing jobs...bu then again they are usually all 304/316SS tube and fittings...too bad the 1/2" OD .035 wall 304 ss tube needs a 4" radius bend...if I could get a bender thaty has a 1.5" or 2" radius, I might try a computer...

rhino56 · 07-05-2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senater_Cache

it would, but I would then shy away from block like mp-05 and STORM. Akthough it will probably stil work well, you may get better performance with a less restrictive block. Runner up = Swiftech Apogee )Note that this is in the case of 2 seperate rads and all the extra barbs and tubing they add)

thats exactly what i did with my set up, i removed the storm so it didnt slow down the flow on my DD tyee and replaced it with a apogee.

glc · 07-06-2006, 01:25 AM

Well here's what I've been thinking atm (everything from danger den for convienience):

DD-D5 pump
TDX cpu block
2 Maze4 Gpu blocks
2 Black Ice Xtreme Radiators
a 5.25" bay reservoir

This along with accesories and such forth. I am wondering if there is any issue over pressure if having 3/8 tubing would help this, also making it easier to bend. I don't know what 3/8 pump offers the same performance as the D5 though.

rhino56 · 07-06-2006, 07:26 AM

i would use 1/2 inch tubing over the 3/8. im not sure why 2 rads either. i have a 2x120 with my rig in sig and its way overkill. i could run with 1 fan easily.

Senater_Cache · 07-06-2006, 11:55 AM

maze4 is a great block...but I would get an apogee over a TDX hands down.

Be aware that swiftech has the same convieniences (and they have better rads):
MCP655 (D5)
Apogee
2x MCW60
MCR220 or 320 or get a Black Ice Pro
get their plastic res (not clear) it wont leak.
Id go with 7/16" tubing

glc · 07-06-2006, 04:21 PM

Okay then.

What about

Swiftech Storm cpu block
2x Maze4
mcp655/D5 pump
a 5.25 res

Now two questions:

With tubing, all that stuff is 1/2" barbed up there. How much flexiblity will that give me, considering I'm going to be running 2 gpu blocks that will be very close together in series? Plus, Senater_Cache says go with 7/16, how do I fit that on 1/2 barbs?

For radiators, the swiftech rads have 3/8 barbs, so if I go with Danger Den, which is preferable, the Black Ice Pro or Xtreme, especially since I'm getting 2 x 120.1 instead of 1 x 120.2?

Senater_Cache · 07-06-2006, 06:07 PM

the 7/16th you can stretch over 1/2 barbs easily (maybe the D5 wil need the tubes to be heated). and it has a tighter bend radius than 3.8 while still giving excellent flow. I dont think there is big difference between 3/8 and 7/16 in terms of flexibility. But the 7/16 allows more flow bar none.
with 2 GPU blocks I would almost recommend the Apogee over the storm because you will probably see better results because of the higher flow available.
STORM is #1 for high pressure system and cpu without heatspreaders.
Apogee is within ~1C of the STORM, but wil probably yield better considering all th eblocks you have.

Voodoo Rufus · 08-15-2006, 02:30 AM

Since you already have the P180, would you mind measuring the distance between the PSU cage and the front of the case in the lower bay, and if the racks are removable without much heavy cutting?

I've been trying to work it out in my head how to fit a PA120.2 internally flat on the bottom there, but I do not know how difficult it would be.

I have a PA160 but I'm bent on not using any front fans for noise purposes, and I prefer not to have the radiator hanging out the back.

Thanks.

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07-06-2006, 01:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
glc Civilian Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 11	Well here's what I've been thinking atm (everything from danger den for convienience): DD-D5 pump TDX cpu block 2 Maze4 Gpu blocks 2 Black Ice Xtreme Radiators a 5.25" bay reservoir This along with accesories and such forth. I am wondering if there is any issue over pressure if having 3/8 tubing would help this, also making it easier to bend. I don't know what 3/8 pump offers the same performance as the D5 though. __________________ Spiffy

07-06-2006, 11:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
Senater_Cache Sergeant MajorElite Commander Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 873	maze4 is a great block...but I would get an apogee over a TDX hands down. Be aware that swiftech has the same convieniences (and they have better rads): MCP655 (D5) Apogee 2x MCW60 MCR220 or 320 or get a Black Ice Pro get their plastic res (not clear) it wont leak. Id go with 7/16" tubing __________________ EVGA 680i \| Xeon 3060 @ 1.18v -- 3.6Ghz\| 2x1Gb Crucial 10th Anniversary D9GMH + 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix D9GMH \| 400 \| 4-5-5-5 7900GTO @ GTX DDC-2 + PetraTop \| Storm \| MCR320 + 3x Denkis @ 6v

07-06-2006, 04:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
glc Civilian Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 11	Okay then. What about Swiftech Storm cpu block 2x Maze4 mcp655/D5 pump a 5.25 res Now two questions: With tubing, all that stuff is 1/2" barbed up there. How much flexiblity will that give me, considering I'm going to be running 2 gpu blocks that will be very close together in series? Plus, Senater_Cache says go with 7/16, how do I fit that on 1/2 barbs? For radiators, the swiftech rads have 3/8 barbs, so if I go with Danger Den, which is preferable, the Black Ice Pro or Xtreme, especially since I'm getting 2 x 120.1 instead of 1 x 120.2? __________________ Spiffy

07-06-2006, 06:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
Senater_Cache Sergeant MajorElite Commander Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 873	the 7/16th you can stretch over 1/2 barbs easily (maybe the D5 wil need the tubes to be heated). and it has a tighter bend radius than 3.8 while still giving excellent flow. I dont think there is big difference between 3/8 and 7/16 in terms of flexibility. But the 7/16 allows more flow bar none. with 2 GPU blocks I would almost recommend the Apogee over the storm because you will probably see better results because of the higher flow available. STORM is #1 for high pressure system and cpu without heatspreaders. Apogee is within ~1C of the STORM, but wil probably yield better considering all th eblocks you have. __________________ EVGA 680i \| Xeon 3060 @ 1.18v -- 3.6Ghz\| 2x1Gb Crucial 10th Anniversary D9GMH + 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix D9GMH \| 400 \| 4-5-5-5 7900GTO @ GTX DDC-2 + PetraTop \| Storm \| MCR320 + 3x Denkis @ 6v

07-06-2006, 07:26 AM	#16 (permalink)
rhino56 Administrator General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,863	i would use 1/2 inch tubing over the 3/8. im not sure why 2 rads either. i have a 2x120 with my rig in sig and its way overkill. i could run with 1 fan easily.

08-15-2006, 02:30 AM	#20 (permalink)
Voodoo Rufus Specialist Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 159	Since you already have the P180, would you mind measuring the distance between the PSU cage and the front of the case in the lower bay, and if the racks are removable without much heavy cutting? I've been trying to work it out in my head how to fit a PA120.2 internally flat on the bottom there, but I do not know how difficult it would be. I have a PA160 but I'm bent on not using any front fans for noise purposes, and I prefer not to have the radiator hanging out the back. Thanks.