I need some suggestions for WC

Skie · 04-09-2006, 02:34 PM

You guys probably read my other thread. I'm looking at various WC stuff and I've got some what of a grasp on what I need, but I'd like some suggestions as well. Here are pics of the case that I'm looking at getting:

Basically, what I'm thinking of is putting the radiator in the top back above the PS. I'm assuming that 2 80mm fans fit up there. The case itself is 8.25" wide.

Any ideas on what radiator would work best and fit in that spot? Should I put it somewhere else? Outside of the case? Inside?

I'll also be using a AMD X2 Socket 939 and a GeForce 7900. Suggestions on water blocks would be helpful too.

So far, here's what I'm looking at, though I'd like opinions on what I've picked out.

Swiftech Storm Universal Waterblock - http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=3022
Swiftech MCP350 - http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=2611
Swiftech MCRES-1000 - http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=2883 (I'm assuming the reservoir is included, if not, let me know)
Masterkleer Tubing 7/16" ID 5/8" OD - http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=3079
Black Ice Micro II Dual 80mm - http://www.jab-tech.com/Black-Ice-Mi...k-pr-2980.html (This was the only Dual 80mm radiator that jab-tech had listed)

I'm probably missing stuff, so speak up if I am.

=ACID RAIN= · 04-09-2006, 02:53 PM

I would seriously consider 120mm fan-capable radiators, and cutting a hole in the top for mounting. I wouldn't even bother looking at the 80mm holes up top because I doubt a rad will fit there when you factor in the raised area for barb mounting. Not to mention the low performance and high noise of 80mm fans.

Consider a black ice proII or similar 2 x 120mm fan rad. Then you can cut exit ports in the top and mount the rad up there.

The pump can go nearly anywhere. I love those 350s.

I am running a similar setup in my game rig too, and I love that I can run it nearly silently and still overclock it. You will never achieve low noise level or high cooling performance with an 80mm anything, even if the fans are server-grade and on full blast.

And with those two heaters, you'll want some serious cooling

Skie · 04-09-2006, 03:01 PM

Would I be better off going with a single or dual 120?

Are these any good?

Swiftech MCR Quiet Power 1 120mm - http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCR...k-pr-3070.html
Swiftech MCR-220 - http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCR...k-pr-3199.html

As far as cutting the case, I'm just worried that I'll screw it up. :o At the moment, I don't even have anything that'll do cutting.

Senater_Cache · 04-09-2006, 03:07 PM

if your budget allows for it, get a Thermochill 120x3 radiator like the HE120.3 or PA series. If thats not in your budget consider a 120.2 series none, if thats still too much a good ole Bonneville (2-302) HeaterCore (120x2) will do the trick.
consider a shroud and some nice 120s in the dimensions. should fit easily in that space though.
Coolermaster, Panaflo, and Sanyo have som eexcellent 120s (Nexus is what teh Thermochill PA rads are designed for though !)

Skie · 04-09-2006, 03:53 PM

What about these VapoChill units? http://www.jab-tech.com/Vapochill-Cooling-c-215.html. Are these worth the cost?

rhino56 · 04-09-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skie

What about these VapoChill units? http://www.jab-tech.com/Vapochill-Cooling-c-215.html. Are these worth the cost?

i wouldnt get into that at this point, thats subzero temps and a whole new ball game.

that case is a water coolers dream really.

I know the storm is rated as the top block but it is extremely restrictive also. it would bring the mcp350 to a near crawl.

The fittings on the reservoir are 3/8" and you got 7/16" tubing picked out.

get the 1/2inch id and 3/4 od clearflex tubing, its just as good as tygon tubing imho
http://www.jab-tech.com/ClearFLEX-60...D-pr-2431.html

i have just ordered a swiftech apogee to have much less restriction in the system. ill be running a gpu waterblock also which i would recommend if your going to water cool.

i am doing the exact same thing as you right now with the same case basically.

like they said cutting holes in the top is certainly the best option for a radiator.
a 120x2 with some fans on a fan controller is a great setup.
you can turn the fans down to silent when not gaming and turn them up as you need.
if you dont have a drill and decent hole saw to cut the holes i can send you mine on loan with a template if you like.
makes it really easy.

also if you would like to just try out the storm i have one i can loan you.

but overall make sure the radiator, pump, blocks and reservoir have 1/2" fittings.

this is the rad i would recommend

http://www.jab-tech.com/Coolingworks...r-pr-3293.html

cpu block
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Apo...k-pr-3175.html

this pump is extremely powerful
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCP...p-pr-2982.html

the mcp350 is great also but not nearly the pressure the 655 has.

some nice choices for the video card would be this if you got some decent airflow on the card to cool the ram because you need the ramsinks.
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCW...r-pr-3317.html

or this cools the memory also
http://www.jab-tech.com/Dangerden-NV...2-pr-3202.html

now if all your going to do is cool the cpu than the storm may not be a bad choice with the mcp350, but i would still recommend the mcp655 anyways.

i dont see any reservoirs at jab-tech at the moment that have 1/2" fittings, you can call him or email and ask him to get you a swiftech micro with the 1/2" barbs. or just find something similiar.

The one thing about watercooling you'll find is that there are mixied opinons on everything, the blocks, the tubing the rads, you name it. but thats a good thing, because something works for one doesnt make it for everyone out there.

on a testbed the storm out performs the apogee but thats not in a computer with a gpu block. the flow on the gpu block would suffer from the storm. if it would be enough to impact temps is hard to tell.
thats a whole can of worms that leads into a circle of unending opinions once again.

Skie · 04-09-2006, 08:07 PM

Would I be able to use the Swiftech MCRES-1000 with the pump that you selected?

rhino56 · 04-09-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skie

Would I be able to use the Swiftech MCRES-1000 with the pump that you selected?

well you could but it has 3/8 fittings on it so its best not to.
there are several different types of reservoirs available and you can even make one yourself.
just to give you a few ideas

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php

http://www.drcooling.cl/coppermine/t...ls.php?album=8

WC Annihilus · 04-10-2006, 12:55 PM

For CPU block, I would just go with either a Swiftech Storm or a AquaXtreme MP-05 LE. Depending where you look, the Apogee is either considered utter crap or the best thing in the world (former is the most common consensus). As long as you have a strong enough pump (such as the DD D5 (also known as the MCP655) or an AquaXtreme 50Z) it will work perfectly fine even with a GPU block.

Definately go with with either of the above said pumps as the MCP can be nice for placement but just isn't that strong.

GPU block there is the Swiftech MCW-60, DD Maze4, and the AquaXtreme MP-01. Full-cover blocks have been found to be pretty much useless as the W/Cing the RAM has absolutely no affect on OC's. The MP-01 was found to give the best performance of the 3 mentioned, but the difference is small. Any of them is a prime choice.

For the rad, it depends on what your sound tolerance is...

To be continued (gotta go to class, I'll be back in about 3 hrs with more of my opinions

)

Skie · 04-10-2006, 01:31 PM

As far as noise level, I'd prefer this computer to be fairly/very quiet. The current one I have is quite loud and I'm sick of it. You can hear the buzzing of the fans through the wall into the next room. :mad: As such, I'll be getting some quiet fans for this thing.

04-09-2006, 02:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Skie My spoon is too big! Private First Class Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the hills and far away Posts: 72	I need some suggestions for WC You guys probably read my other thread. I'm looking at various WC stuff and I've got some what of a grasp on what I need, but I'd like some suggestions as well. Here are pics of the case that I'm looking at getting: Basically, what I'm thinking of is putting the radiator in the top back above the PS. I'm assuming that 2 80mm fans fit up there. The case itself is 8.25" wide. Any ideas on what radiator would work best and fit in that spot? Should I put it somewhere else? Outside of the case? Inside? I'll also be using a AMD X2 Socket 939 and a GeForce 7900. Suggestions on water blocks would be helpful too. So far, here's what I'm looking at, though I'd like opinions on what I've picked out. Swiftech Storm Universal Waterblock - http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=3022 Swiftech MCP350 - http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=2611 Swiftech MCRES-1000 - http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=2883 (I'm assuming the reservoir is included, if not, let me know) Masterkleer Tubing 7/16" ID 5/8" OD - http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=3079 Black Ice Micro II Dual 80mm - http://www.jab-tech.com/Black-Ice-Mi...k-pr-2980.html (This was the only Dual 80mm radiator that jab-tech had listed) I'm probably missing stuff, so speak up if I am.

04-09-2006, 02:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
=ACID RAIN= Chief Warrant Officer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: TX Posts: 1,241	I would seriously consider 120mm fan-capable radiators, and cutting a hole in the top for mounting. I wouldn't even bother looking at the 80mm holes up top because I doubt a rad will fit there when you factor in the raised area for barb mounting. Not to mention the low performance and high noise of 80mm fans. Consider a black ice proII or similar 2 x 120mm fan rad. Then you can cut exit ports in the top and mount the rad up there. The pump can go nearly anywhere. I love those 350s. I am running a similar setup in my game rig too, and I love that I can run it nearly silently and still overclock it. You will never achieve low noise level or high cooling performance with an 80mm anything, even if the fans are server-grade and on full blast. And with those two heaters, you'll want some serious cooling __________________ Personal Site: http://www.goinglimp.com COD2 Clan: http://www.arsr-clan.com

04-09-2006, 03:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Senater_Cache Sergeant MajorElite Commander Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 873	if your budget allows for it, get a Thermochill 120x3 radiator like the HE120.3 or PA series. If thats not in your budget consider a 120.2 series none, if thats still too much a good ole Bonneville (2-302) HeaterCore (120x2) will do the trick. consider a shroud and some nice 120s in the dimensions. should fit easily in that space though. Coolermaster, Panaflo, and Sanyo have som eexcellent 120s (Nexus is what teh Thermochill PA rads are designed for though !) __________________ EVGA 680i \| Xeon 3060 @ 1.18v -- 3.6Ghz\| 2x1Gb Crucial 10th Anniversary D9GMH + 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix D9GMH \| 400 \| 4-5-5-5 7900GTO @ GTX DDC-2 + PetraTop \| Storm \| MCR320 + 3x Denkis @ 6v

04-09-2006, 03:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Skie My spoon is too big! Private First Class Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the hills and far away Posts: 72	Would I be better off going with a single or dual 120? Are these any good? Swiftech MCR Quiet Power 1 120mm - http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCR...k-pr-3070.html Swiftech MCR-220 - http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCR...k-pr-3199.html As far as cutting the case, I'm just worried that I'll screw it up. :o At the moment, I don't even have anything that'll do cutting.

04-09-2006, 03:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Skie My spoon is too big! Private First Class Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the hills and far away Posts: 72	What about these VapoChill units? http://www.jab-tech.com/Vapochill-Cooling-c-215.html. Are these worth the cost?

04-09-2006, 08:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Skie My spoon is too big! Private First Class Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the hills and far away Posts: 72	Would I be able to use the Swiftech MCRES-1000 with the pump that you selected?

04-10-2006, 12:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
WC Annihilus Private Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 44	For CPU block, I would just go with either a Swiftech Storm or a AquaXtreme MP-05 LE. Depending where you look, the Apogee is either considered utter crap or the best thing in the world (former is the most common consensus). As long as you have a strong enough pump (such as the DD D5 (also known as the MCP655) or an AquaXtreme 50Z) it will work perfectly fine even with a GPU block. Definately go with with either of the above said pumps as the MCP can be nice for placement but just isn't that strong. GPU block there is the Swiftech MCW-60, DD Maze4, and the AquaXtreme MP-01. Full-cover blocks have been found to be pretty much useless as the W/Cing the RAM has absolutely no affect on OC's. The MP-01 was found to give the best performance of the 3 mentioned, but the difference is small. Any of them is a prime choice. For the rad, it depends on what your sound tolerance is... To be continued (gotta go to class, I'll be back in about 3 hrs with more of my opinions )

04-10-2006, 01:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
Skie My spoon is too big! Private First Class Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the hills and far away Posts: 72	As far as noise level, I'd prefer this computer to be fairly/very quiet. The current one I have is quite loud and I'm sick of it. You can hear the buzzing of the fans through the wall into the next room. :mad: As such, I'll be getting some quiet fans for this thing.